2 gallon birch leaf crock

Question:

I was wondering about this crock it has the birch leaves but no other markings. I was wondering first of all is it Red Wing? And 2nd an approximate value?

Thank You 

Rob

Answer:

Yes, your 2 gallon birch leaf crock is Red Wing.  If your crock is in perfect condition the value is between $50 & $60.  Al Kohlman

3 gallon butter churn (without lid) with the first Red Wing oval

Question:

Hi, could you tell me a bit about this please?

Thank you!! Amber

Answer:

You have a Red Wing 3 gallon butter churn (without lid) with the first Red Wing oval.  It was produced between 1909 & 1912.  I see there is a crack or hairline which runs down  the front of this churn.  These cracks, just kill the value.  $50 to $90.  Al Kohlman

2 gallon circle Red Wing Stamp

Question:

Hi – I purchased this red wing crock this week-end in Minnesota and am very curious about it.  I have never seen a crock with a round circle versus an oval on the front of it.  Inside the circle it says Red Wing Union on the top, in the middle is Stoneware Co. and across the bottom is Red Wing, Minn.  Please let me know if this is a rarity or common to some year and a value you might think it is worth.  There is a hairline crack on the side and a small chip of the very bottom edge of it in the back – so it is not mint, but very displayable and holds water.  My name is Beth

Answer:

Beth, your Red Wing crock was produced between 1930 & 1947.  With the circle rather than the oval, this crock is much harder to find.  However, with the hairline, the value just keeps your piece below even that of the crocks with easier to find ovals.  Collector (especially today) want perfect.   Value, $30 to $35.   Al Kohlman

2 gallon Salt Glaze double P and advertising casserole

Question:

 

My son and I just completed working spring cleaning up and cutting grass for a elderly lady in Chisago County.

As payment she gave my son his 1st piece of Red Wing which is a 2 gallon crock and she gave me a bean pot.

 

The Two gallon Crock is Red Wing salt glaze double P and is marked on bottom Minnesota Stoneware Co Red Wing.

No Cracks, and the only flake chip can be seen on bottom right.

 

The bean pot 8.5 inches in diameter and is in perfect condition, no cracks nor chips.

The bean pot has an advertising inside, and says “Your Beans are Good our bargains are better, Scandia Mercantile Company”.

The bean pot has lid and there are no cracks, chips or flakes. 

 

What do you think the estimated value of both pieces?

Thanks.   Scott & Bryce

Answer:

Scott, & Bryce, it  looks like you were paid quite well.  The Red Wing salt glaze bottom signed 2 gallon crock has a value between $140 & $160 in the condition you described.

The second piece is not a bean pot.  It is a Red Wing advertising casserole.  In perfect condition with the lid and advertising, the value is between $100 & $120.   Al Kohlman

Memorial Service for Eva Zeisel

Eva’s Memorial Weekend

Saturday, June 2nd 2012
First Unitarian Church
Brooklyn Heights, NY

12 Noon

Saturday, June 2, the Memorial Service will be held at 12:00 noon at the First Unitarian Church in Brooklyn Heights, followed by a coffee reception in the church to which all are invited.  For directions to the church go to Eva Memorial Service.pdf    Eva’s grandchildren will be greeting guests at the doors of the church, and as you sign the guest book, ask in what part of the church members of the Eva Zeisel forum are seating themselves, so that we may greet each other.  
On Saturday evening there will be a no-host dinner at 8:30 at a small local restaurant called Savann.  It features Turkish cuisine, and is located on Amsterdam Avenue between 79th and 80th on the west side of the street.  Meals are about $25, including a glass of wine and tip. Some of Eva’s family members will be there, and it will be a good time to continue the day’s conversations and socializing.  Reservations must be made, so be sure to check your rsvp on the listing below.

On Sunday, the 3rd there will be a casual and optional drop-in with light refreshments at the apartment where Eva lived for many years, at 600 West 115th Street, Apt. 72, from noon until late afternoon.   This will be a relaxed time to see where Eva lived, and for further schmoozing, but be aware that the apartment has been cleared out for future subletting, and that none of Eva’s designs will be on display.  There will be people in place to admit you to the building and the apartment.  To get to Eva’s home take the #1 subway to the 116th Street station.  Stay at the back of the subway and get out at the 115th Street exit.  Also, the Broadway bus #104 goes to 115th St.  The phone number of the apartment is 212-864-0341.

On Monday, the 4th Pirco Wolfframm will conduct docent tours of Eva’s country home, beginning at 1:00, to which members of the Eva Zeisel forum are invited.    Jeannie warns that the house is in a state of extreme disorder, as Eva’s possessions are still in boxes stacked here and there, and the living room has been given over to photography for the book.   However, Eva’s designs are still on display in the studio area of the house, and Pirco will be able to take us to the workroom and storage areas, where many of Eva’s prototypes are still being uncovered.  Because of the overcrowding, tours will be for four people at a time, and preference will be given to out-of-town guests.  If there are too many reservations for the tours, those living in the NY area can make arrangements to see the house at another time.  Cameras welcome, of course.  The tours will start rather promptly at 1:00, and will last about half an hour for each group.  Jeannie will have coffee and light refreshments available for those waiting for their tour.  To reach the country house by car, go up the Westside Highway, cross the George Washington Bridge, bear right on to Palisades Parkway North, then go to exit 12.  From there, take an immediate left and then an immediate right.  You will be on Route 45.  In half a minute you will see The Orchards.  Turn right onto South Mountain Road and go two miles to No. 455.  The driveway is on the left.  There really is no practical public transportation to the house, so carpooling is suggested.  If you will be driving and are willing to take passengers, or if you will need transportation,  please let me know at the email address below, and I’ll send along a list of drivers and passengers so that you can contact each other to make arrangements.

BECAUSE OF THE NEED FOR PLANNING, IT WILL BE IMPORTANT FOR YOU TO RSVP FOR EACH OF THE EVENTS THAT YOU PLAN TO ATTEND.  PLEASE EMAIL JEANNIE AT jeanrichards1@me.com SO THAT SHE WILL HAVE A HEAD COUNT FOR EACH EVENT – EVEN THE MEMORIAL SERVICE ON SATURDAY.   Let her know if you will be at:
*the Memorial Service
*the no-host restaurant dinner on Saturday night
*the drop-in at Eva’s apartment on Sunday afternoon
*the country-house tour on Monday at 1:00

Our best regards,

Pat and Gene

©Eva Zeisel forum

Red Wing Planter, stove shaped

Question:

i haave this vase and i cannot find it anywhere on the internet. I am wondering what its worth? A. Hunter

Answer: hello
it’s a planter, from the fifties, value is around 50.00 or so.  thanks, steve n rose

Tweed Tex pattern butter dish

Question: Hi,

I have a white covered butter dish.  From research I just found out it may be vintage and collectable.

This is white, not pink or green and would love to know the pattern.  Maybe its worth, given it is in excellent condition.

Christine

Answer:

This is a covered butter dish from the Tweed Tex pattern, one of six patterns made in the Anniversary shape.  Tweed Tex was made from 1953 to 1956 and all items are entirely white.  Most collectors value Tweed Tex lower than the colorfully decorated items from the other five Anniversary patterns.    Value for a Tweed Tex butter dish in excellent undamaged condition is $20-30.

Larry

Lexington Dinnerware Collection

Question:

Can  you tell me what I should be asking when selling the following items from the Lexington Dinnerware line.

 

Perfect pieces

Creamer

Spoon holder

3 cups

2 small sauce bowls

2 divided vegetable bowls

1 divided relish

1 saucer

1 flat celery dish

4 plates

Oval platter

 

Imperfect pieces

Teapot

Gravy boat

2 cups

3 small sauce bowls

Casserole w/lid (lid handle was broken in two, glued back together, but not very well)

2 saucers

Small bowl

Large serving bowl

4 plates

Tall pitcher – tiny nick in spout

Teapot

 

Some of the imperfections are crackle.  Do you think bleach would take some of the dark away?

 

Jerry

Answer:

Please see below for my estimated values.  All values that I provide are my estimate of the current market value for a SINGLE item in excellent, undamaged condition.  I cannot say what the owner should ask as a sales price because that depends on numerous factors that are unknown to me.  See the “Selling Red Wing” portion of the FAQ section on the RWCS web site.  I also cannot provide estimated values that are adjusted for damage.  My general rule of thumb is that damage reduces the value by 25 to 75%.  Damage must be viewed to make a proper evaluation and even then collectors often disagree.  The decrease in value depends on the location, extent and visibility of the damage and whether or not the item is especially difficult to find. 

I never use bleach to clean stained dinnerware.  If not done properly it can ruin pottery. I have attached an article that I wrote on the subject for the RWCS newsletter back in 2003. 

Creamer:  $5-10

Spoon holder:  $50-75

Tea cup:  $5-7

Small sauce bowl:  $5-10

Divided vegetable bowl:  $20-30

Divided relish (3 sections): $20-30

Saucer:  $5-7

Celery dish:  $20-30

Plates: $5-15 each, depending on the size

Oval platter:  $20-25

Teapot:  $25-35

Gravy boat: $20-25

Casserole w/lid:  $20-30

Small bowl (cereal?):  $10-15

Large serving bowl:  $15-20

Tall pitcher: $20-25

Larry

Cleaning Red Wing Dinnerware

To bleach or not to bleach….

….that is the question.  All pottery collectors have encountered a beautiful piece of pottery, perfect in appearance except for an ugly, greasy stain.  Should you attempt to remove the stain, or should you leave it alone and enjoy the piece as is?  Is cleaning pottery with bleach safe?  Are there better alternatives?  Those are the questions to be addressed here.

This article will reflect my experiences with deep cleaning dinnerware and my opinions on the subject.  Please understand I am not an expert in this area, I am simply sharing my experiences and opinions with my fellow collectors.  Also, my experiences do not include deep cleaning stoneware.  In a few months I plan to write a follow-up article after doing research on the scientific and chemical principles involved.  In that future article I’d like to include opinions and experiences from other collectors.  Please see my contact information below. 

Clay is porous

Those ugly, greasy stains are located in the clay below the surface, not in the glaze.  How do those stains get into the clay?  That shouldn’t happen if the glaze remains intact.  But fine cracks in the glaze can develop; this is called crazing.  Crazing occurs when the glaze shrinks at a slightly different rate than the clay beneath it.  To some art pottery collectors crazing may be desirable, and some glazes are purposefully to craze.  But that’s not true with dinnerware, where the potter’s goal is to create a barrier to keep grease and liquids out of the clay.  Crazing is commonly found in Red Wing Potteries’ earliest dinnerware (the Gypsy Trail and Provincial lines), but is less common with later lines.  The pottery’s early experiences apparently lead to a better match of glaze and clay.

Bleach

Some collectors use bleach to clean pottery.  Some pottery reference books recommend the use of bleach.  I’ve never used bleach to clean pottery, but have seen the damage bleach can do.  While visiting an antique store recently, a very nice Brittany teapot caught my eye.  As I approached the teapot, fine white powdery lines across the entire surface became evident.  Closer inspection showed the powder was oozing from crazing in the teapot’s glaze.  A quick sniff revealed the telltale odor of bleach.  While the teapot was still lovely at that point, without action it would eventually become a pile of dust.  It may have already been too late.

Hydrogen Peroxide

Other collectors use hydrogen peroxide, and I’ve successfully used this method on pieces in our personal collection.  I’ll describe my method, along with some cautions, a bit later.  I am not aware of any piece damaged by cleaning with hydrogen peroxide, thus it’s my opinion that hydrogen peroxide is significantly safer than bleach for this purpose.

Whitening vs. Cleaning

Logic would say bleach and peroxide make pottery appear cleaner because they are whitening agents.  While whitening no doubt helps, my experience shows that peroxide also forces grease out of the clay and thus truly cleans the pottery.  How do I know?  After soaking a grease-stained piece in my peroxide bath, greasy scum floats to the surface.  Because I have no experience with bleach I cannot vouch for it as a cleaning agent.

Basic science: Get the bleach out

All matter is composed of molecules, and individual molecules want as much elbow room as possible.  Whenever possible, molecules will flow to an area of lower concentration.  Think of a group of people in a small space, such as an elevator.  Rather than crowd into a corner, people tend to disperse themselves evenly as much as possible within the available space.  That’s exactly what molecules do too.

As a piece of pottery sets in a bath of cleaning agent (bleach or peroxide), molecules of the agent will try to enter the clay because density of the agent is lower there than in the bath.  If the glaze is not intact, the cleaning agent will successfully penetrate into the clay.  The clay will absorb more and more of the agent, until the concentration of agent is the same both inside and outside the glaze.  At this point the clay is saturated with the cleaning agent. 

If the pottery is removed from the bath and dried without first extracting the absorbed cleaning agent, the agent will remain in the clay.  And if that agent chemically reacts with the clay (and apparently bleach does), damage will occur over time.  Thus it is vital that the cleaning agent, especially if it is bleach, be extracted before drying.

How to extract the agent?  Simply soak the pottery in clean water.  The same chemical process that allows clay to absorb the agent also works in reverse.  Agent-saturated clay will release the agent and absorb water in an attempt to maintain equal concentrations on both sides of the glaze.  Eventually water will replace nearly all the agent in the clay.  The piece can then be safely dried because water does not react harmfully with clay. 

How long should the piece soak in clean water?  One rule of thumb is to soak the piece in water at last one day for every day the piece was soaked in bleach or peroxide.  Thus pottery soaked for two weeks in agent should be soaked at least two weeks in water.  You may want to change the water occasionally. Doing so will eliminate any agent already expelled by the clay, and since the fresh water contains no agent it enhances the ability of the clay to further expel the cleaning agent. 

It’s my belief that most damage to pottery from bleach occurs because the owner skipped or shortened the water soak step that removes the bleach from the piece.  Can an item be saved if it has evidence (odor, powder) that it was bleached?  Perhaps.  Soaking the piece in clean water would draw bleach out from the clay, as described above.  But if deterioration has progressed too far, soaking in water may cause the piece to break apart.  But that would likely happen anyway with time, so it may be worth the risk. 

My method:

Here is the process I follow using hydrogen peroxide.  Please understand this is not a recommendation to others, I am merely sharing my experiences.  While I’ve encountered no damage to pottery with this method, any use of hydrogen peroxide is at your own risk.

Hydrogen peroxide is available at beauty supply stores labeled as 20, 30 or 40 volume as either a clear solution or an opaque liquid.  Volume is a term that means “percent”, so these products are 20, 30 or 40% hydrogen peroxide.  Strong stuff!  The peroxide used to treat cuts and wounds is only 3%; it will not work well for cleaning pottery.  I use the 40 volume clear solution because it works quicker and lasts longer, but 20 or 30 should also work.  I’ve never used the opaque liquid form and can’t see any advantage to it.

Hydrogen peroxide in these high strengths must be used with extreme caution.  From my experience it stings badly on skin, eats a hole in clothing if not promptly washed out, and causes blistering on Formica tabletops if not wiped up.  Use rubber gloves when handling the peroxide, unless you don’t mind the sting.  I store my peroxide bath and supplies in an unused plastic shower, so any messes can be quickly and easily cleaned up.  I use a covered plastic Rubbermaid tub to hold my peroxide bath.  The container size needed depends on the size of the item to be cleaned.  Of course a bigger container will require more peroxide. The peroxide can be reused numerous times.  I’ve used my current batch of peroxide for nearly a year.  Over time the peroxide weakens and the extracted soil and grease becomes a problem.  I’ve tried to filter off the grease but with limited success.  Eventually it is necessary to discard to weakened, dirty peroxide and start over with fresh solution. 

How long should an item be soaked in peroxide?  It depends on the piece.  Some pieces clean up in just a few days; others can soak for a couple of months and still not be clean.  Generally a couple of weeks are sufficient, but I use my judgment to decide if a longer soak is needed.  Another plastic tub is used for a water bath soak after the peroxide cleaning.  As previously stated, I soak the piece in clean water for at least as long as the item soaked in peroxide.

I have used peroxide to clean stains from dinnerware, but not art pottery or stoneware.  Gypsy Trail and Provincial (Orleans, Brittany, Ardennes and Normandy) clean up quite well, but I’ve had little success with later dinnerware lines.  This is likely due to the crazing issue described earlier. 

Ethics

Opinions vary on whether or not cleaning pottery in this manner is ethical.  Some believe this process merely deep cleans the pottery.  Others believe it is a form of restoration similar to repairing cracks or chips.  In my opinion, if the only benefit from treatment were whitening of the clay then I’d feel this is a form of restoration.  But since the treatment (at least with peroxide) actually removes grease from the piece, I believe this is a cleaning process rather than restoration.  In any event, collectors would be well advised to clean only pieces that will be retained in their collection.  Pottery to be resold should be left “as is”; let the buyer make the decision.  Your ethics and reputation may be called into question if the buyer learns the piece has been cleaned with bleach or peroxide.

Future article

As stated earlier, I would like to gather input from other collectors on this issue.  I plan to compile that input along with my research in a future newsletter article.  Your name will not be mentioned in the article unless you specifically ask me to do so.  Please send your thoughts and experience on this subject to the RWCS executive director at director@redwingcollectors.org with subject:  Larry Roschen, cleaning dinnerware.

Larry Roschen
Dinnerware, Ask the Expert

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Red Wing 1 gallon Chicago Adv. jug

Question:

I have just begun collecting Red Wing Crocks (a novice) and still have a lot to learn. I did order the Red Wing Stoneware book by DePasquale/Peterson but am in the dark until it arrives here.

What can you tell me about this one gallon advertisement jug?

It’s in good condition.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Sincerely,

Terry 

I have just begun collecting Red Wing Crocks (a novice) and still have a lot to learn. I did order the Red Wing Stoneware book by DePasquale/Peterson but am in the dark until it arrives here.

What can you tell me about this one gallon advertisement jug?

It’s in good condition.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

 

Sincerely,

Terry

Answer:

Terry, this Red Wing 1 gallon Chicago Adv. jug must be the one that is on eBay currently.  It is a nice jug that was produced somewhere between 1920 & into the 1930′s.  Value will be between $250 & $300.  Al Kohlman

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